1. In the secret temple rituals practiced daily all over the world in Mormon Temples, one of the first important ‘endowment ceremonies’ consists of a play enacted before the candidates which is called ‘The Creation’. Your email address will not be published. These episodes are best seen as a continuation of our discussion from earlier this year wherein John Hamer provides a 19th Century context for The Book of Mormon. But even demons masquerade as angels, and can even warp the bible to mean something else. Creation Ministries International (CMI) exists to support the effective proclamation of the Gospel by providing credible answers that affirm the reliability of the Bible, in particular its Genesis history. Cultural Context Preceding the Book of Mormon. As am I. Also that the Book of Mormon was born from multiple source texts. The Book of Mormon records the visit of Jesus Christ to people in the Americas following His Resurrection. The narrative proceeds in characteristic disregard of conditions necessary to its reasonableness, as if it were a tale told by a child, with utter disregard for consistency.” —Studies of the Book of Mormon, p. 251. Elder B. H. Roberts is the first name to present itself to my recollection: Comparing the Book of Mormon to the Bible. The Mormon Creation according to Joseph Smith Matter eternal. Past episodes including contributions from John may be found here: How do we KNOW that Joseph Smith Sr’s dreams preceded the publication of the Book of Mormon? Could Sidney and Joseph have kept the authorship secret to themselves? 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This is one of the first subtle indications of Satan’s pre-eminence in Mormon theology later in the ‘Lone and Dreary World’ ceremony, Adam calls out ‘O God, hear the words of my mouth’ three times, only to have Lucifer answer and enact another little play totally ridiculing the role of Christianity in the world. That should be a RED FLAG. The Book of Mormon resembles the Bible in its length and complexity and in its division into books named for individual prophets. However, no such ancient language has ever existed. Check your email! I agree 100%, the wider the conspiracy theory, the less likely it is to be true but limiting the conspiracy to two people is reasonable to me. As time passes the earth provides more and more evidence the Book of Mormon was not a fabrication of a young man in upstate New York. Mormon writings such as the Book of Moses and Doctrine and Covenants also teach in several places that this earth was not the first of the Lord’s creations—apparently, He is supposed to have organized many worlds similarly—all for the purpose of inhabitation by His many spirit children. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. In his new book, A Better Heart , Christofferson explores Christlike love in greater depth, but in both books there is one standout character: his mother. A prophet, named Mormon, organized the thousand years of history into a book. A 45 year old blind friend is dictating her novel. In this ceremony, Elohim is seen talking to Jehovah and Michael and He instructs them to “go down and organize yonder matter into a world like unto the other worlds that we have heretofore formed”. Therefore, the Earth was not created by God, but merely ‘organized’ from existing elements.1, Smith also claimed that Elohim, our Heavenly Father, was the supervisor of Creation (not actually involved) and that Jehovah (or Jesus) together with many helpers from the spirit kingdom, acted under direction to organize the existing elements into the Adamic world. CMI has offices in Australia, Canada, Singapore, New Zealand, United Kingdom, South Africa and United States of America. They multiplied and eventually split into two groups. Genesis 1:1. A Council in Heaven. By submitting your comment you are agreeing to receive email updates from. This happens less in written composition where a person is working from a logical outline. Praise the Lord for His faithfulness! To the extent that chiasms exist in the Book of Mormon, I think these are sign of its oral composition. Rigdon and Joseph could have gotten influence from multiple sources. Joseph writing the BoM on his own is the tidiest solution and certainly satisfies Occam’s Razor but is not the only plausible option. Our challenge is to be informed and engaging and help people think so that by the grace of God some might be saved. It … It’s actually a Greek word like anastrophe or syllepsis that are used to describe literary and poetic forms that are commonly used in poetry, whether it is Hebrew, Greek, Latin, French, or English. We have supplied this link to an article on an external website in good faith. ©2021 Creation Ministries International. KnoWhy #140; Alma 32:40. Chiasmus is a regular form in English poetry, an example would be “The Lamb” by Joseph Smith’s contemporary, William Blake. Is there evidence they were discussed before Lucy mentioned them decades later? The Book of Mormon was written by Joseph Smith in March 1830. A Catch 22? The Bible is full of repeated or allusive stories, and the Book of Mormon often reinscribes this biblical emphasis on repetition. To know the truthfulness of the glorious restoration of Christ's church all one need do is read the Book of Mormon, which we will send free to anyone that asks. A dynamic, interactive, web-friendly presentation of the Book of Mormon. While I am a follower of Christ of long standing (as measured in the flesh :-) I am an ex-Atheist and after much seeking of truth an ex-evolutionist. I love the comment made by LW from Australia! According to those texts, before the earth was created there was a great meeting in heaven. In the case of the Book of Mormon, it all funnels through Joseph Smith, so if it is simply Joseph's creation, then none of it is historical. Podcasts make it very easy to state an opinion as fact because words float by quickly and the opportunity to ponder them and read references and other sources does not exist. Show Overview The Book of Mormon Story The Book of Mormon follows two young missionaries who are sent to Uganda to try to convert citizens to the Mormon religion. CLICK HERE FOR OUR LATEST PODCASTS Donate, Mormon Stories March 20, 2019 Book of Mormon, Church History, Joseph Smith, Top 100 10 Comments. Try James 4:1-6. If my salvation is based on some sinner than how would I even begin to select which sinner? We have sent you an email that will allow you to update your details. we have 8 employees 5 of whom are Mormons, including the owner. Mormons believe in the concept of creation according to Genesis, but they also give some additional information based on several other texts from Moses, Abraham, and texts of Joseph Smith. God created Adam and Eve in His own image and in the image of His Only Begotten (see Moses 2:26–27 ). The Book of Mormon teaches that little children are not capable of sin because they do not have a sinful nature (Moroni 8:8). Joseph Smith taught that the earth was first a ‘spirit earth’ and was then clothed with tangible... Satan: as hero. John Hamer graciously created a number of slides that give important visual cues to his research. There's a reason the Mormons you know are good people; Jesus said judge a tree by its fruits, we try our best to follow him. John W. Welch Notes Study Questions for the Book of Ether. Latter-day Saints believe the creation was carefully planned by God and that there was an important purpose in His creation of mortal humans, and also of the earth. If this podcast truly wishes to be fair and honest, they need to hold themselves to the same standard they hold The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Book of Mormon is a story about a family Lehi is a prophet in Jerusalem. Just because you hate everything related to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints doesn’t give you the right to disrespect something so very important to millions of people. These episodes are best seen as a continuation of our discussion from earlier this year wherein John Hamer provides a 19th Century context for The Book of Mormon.. John Hamer graciously created a number of slides that give important visual cues … Create an account and track your progress. The Book of Mormon is a religious record of three groups of people who migrated from the Old World to the American continents. Generally if you look at the original text, lines are omitted and it turns out that D doesn’t line up with D at all, nor F with F, so the apparent complexity is actually an illusion. The parallel accounts in Moses 1–3 and Abraham 4–5 contain valuable insights and additions not found in Genesis, so we will be referring to them, too. Smith claims that the prophet who last contributed to the work returned to earth as an angel and told him where to find it. In regard to Creation, Joseph Smith taught that all matter is eternal—without beginning or end. In the next scene, Lucifer enters the picture and begins to play a most prominent role that continues through most of the Temple ceremony. William L. Davis has provided a new view of the way in which the Book of Mormon may have been created. One such biblical reverberation in the Book of Mormon is Nephi’s ocean voyage, which evokes biblical stories of origination: creation, deluge, and exodus. This excellent new resource contains 12 DVDs (each 30-40 min. This angel then helped Smith translate the work from “reformed Egyptian” characters into English. Do all Mormons know of these teachings? I think Cowdery was likely involved, even perhaps Emma and some Whitmers. What happens when he dies? They seem to think their beliefs are in line with Christianity, only somehow more enlightened. In Moses 1:35, it is acknowledged that the order of creative events as revealed to Joseph Smith and Moses only pertain to this earth, and no knowledge of other creations is available. Required fields are marked *. On one end Joseph being influenced by Sydney all the way to Sidney being the primary author. Your subscription already exists. My husband and I became a Mormons as a result of contact with two elders when we were young. It relates the history of a group of Hebrews who migrated from Jerusalem to America about 600 bce, led by a prophet, Lehi. One of the firstborn spirit children was Jesus and to Him was given the responsibility of redeeming mankind. Site Links . Why does the conspiracy have to involve John Whitmer and others? Book of Mormon Stories, w/ 1 verse/day 120 p. ~10/19/05 17. A spirit earth. "The contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible constitute a most serious obstacle to accepting the Book of Mormon as Latter-day scripture supplemental to the Bible." This podcast makes it very difficult to distinguish between opinion and referenced fact. Book 156 p. 06/16/05 I have read this many times through with my children and the cover and … A FREE downloadable study guide is available from creation.com/tga. The more extreme chiasms that people create for the Book of Mormon are largely the invention of the people making the ABCDEFGHGFEDCBA charts. He focuses on the well-known fact that the text was dictated to suggest that mechanisms behind oral performance should be used to understand the text. After the fall, they became mortal. Copyright © 2019 Mormon Stories. Occam’s Razor is a great problem solving tool but when I think of various conspiracies and plots, especially political “gates”, they often involved multiple individuals out of necessity. Learn how your comment data is processed. When the time comes to create man, Elohim causes a sleep to come over the spirit Michael and when he awakens, he is Adam, the first man. There are LDS scholars who would dispassionately disagree with your assessment that the Book of Mormon is extremely impressive. History of The Book of Mormon July 11, 2016. The Petersen book is a cut above from the anti-Mormon fare, not engaging in the more out-dated claims offered against the Book of Mormon, such as the inane "adieu" and "Land of Jerusalem" argument critics offer against Book of Mormon antiquity, notwithstanding such claims being outdated for several decades now. Adam and Eve were created in the image of God. Bushman suggests that Lucy herself may have fabricated aspects of the dream to parallel Lehi’s dream in 1 Nephi 8 in order to bolster the status of her husband and make him more like Lehi as the predecessor and father of Nephi/Joseph Jr. As John Hamer points out oral dictation only seems impressive to us because we’ve never trained ourselves. He wanted to believe that the Book of Mormon resulted from a purely subjective experience in the mind of Joseph Smith, that it was just a creation of Joseph’s own fertile imagination. She works on it from 8am until noon five or six days a week. Ignoring Manuscript Found means that all of the affidavits of all of the wittnesses need to be explained away. My comment is given with love and respect. It gives each of us the opportunity to come to the earth, where we receive a physical body and exercise our agency. Beyond this, the same issues are shared between the Book of Mormon and the Bible. After its baptism of fire, the earth is supposed to be renewed and receive its terrestrial glory for the space of the millennium then it will die and be resurrected to attain its sanctified, immortal and eternal state of celestial glory.3. The biblical account of the creation of the earth is found in Genesis 1 and 2. “In the beginning God created the heaven and earth … ” is the first sentence in the Bible. thank you so much for articles like this that give us tools we can use to witness to them. “In the first place there is a certain lack of perspective in the things the book relates as history that points quite clearly to an underdeveloped mind as their origin. Great work John. There are differing views on the origin of the Book of Mormon. In the Biblical account of creation, the serpent is only mentioned in a few verses of Genesis and is thoroughly rebuked by God with the words “upon thy belly shalt thou go and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life”. This is an area of my own witness that I must pray to have corrected. Joseph Smith taught that the earth was first a ‘spirit earth’ and was then clothed with tangible physical elements. Many have tried to prove it false and have failed. Home: Mobile Home: Old Style MP3 Bible Random Video What's New Jewish Stories X-Witch X-Muslim Bible Movies Gospel Videos Godly … (If you haven’t received your first email within a few minutes, try checking your spam folder.). And one to which Joseph Smith, prophet and seer of the Mormon Church, has given his own peculiar interpretation. Through his extensive research, Dan theorizes that the Book of Mormon is a tangible artifact giving … John Hamer is no stranger to Mormon Stories Podcast. I’ve read parts.. like many books it’s much better written than the BoM. In the Garden of Eden, they were immortal. He taught that after the Fall, the earth fell from its terrestrial form to a ‘telestial’ form—condition destined to continue for 6,000 years. I think there is basis for a spectrum of sources and scenarios involving Joseph and Sydney. I'd encourage you to continue reading the thousands of articles we have produced. In our final segments with renowned Joseph Smith historian Dan Vogel, author of Joseph Smith: The Making of a Prophet, we focus our attention on the creation of the Book of Mormon. Even the article we are directing you to could, in principle, change without notice on sites we do not control. The book told the story of how the love of those around him, including his immediate family, brought him back to the gospel of Jesus Christ after spending two decades away from the Church. Analyzing the Geography, Archaeology, History and Geology of the Book of Mormon. I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and I have truly enjoyed the efforts of Creation Ministries. You couldn’t write the likes of it in a short amount of time it a long amount of time. I am blessed by the comment from LW in Australia because it revealed my own spiritual pride which has frequently prevented me from lovingly and patiently presenting "THE TRUTH" to people with errant beliefs without coming off like I am better than them in some way. I think the presentation could have been much shorter, especially for this audience but a good introduction this aspect of BoM authorship. The Book of Mormon reinforces the LDS doctrine that the gospel of Jesus Christ existed before the Creation and has been revealed to prophets and believers throughout time. God warns Lehi in a dream to take his family and leave Jerusalem because the city will be destroyed. These groups were led by prophets who recorded their religious and secular histories on metal plates. Why is it assumed if the Book of Mormon was based on Manuscript Found that anyone other than Sidney Rigdon and Joseph had to be involved? The Book of Mormon discusses in places the process by which it was compiled. I think most people would agree this is likely given all of texts on the topic extant at this time. I work for a small swimming pool company in Texas. It is entirely possible of course that Hurlbut lead all of his witnesses to believe a false memory. It is interesting to note that these helpers supposedly included such worthy spirits as: Michael (who later became Adam), Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Peter, James, John and of course, Joseph Smith—all the “noble and great” worthy ones of Mormonism.2. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. Join us now for this Mormon Stories Podcast episode, where historian John Hamer offers his theory as to how the Book of Mormon was created. There is were all our faith comes from. After careful observation, general research and personal accounts, there is no question in my mind that God is real and the bible is inerrant, leaving no room for evolutionary claims of creation. CLEVELAND — The box office miracles of “The Book of Mormon,” chapter and verse: The musical has played to over 100 percent capacity audiences on … But we cannot assume responsibility for, nor be taken as endorsing in any way, any other content or links on any such site. More and more evidence is discovered, validated, and presented as undeniable proof the story told in the Book of Mormon is factual / not fiction. It is extremely impressive. Another spirit child of Heavenly Father, Lucifer, wanted this responsibility for himself, but the Council of the Gods rejected Lucifer’s plan after which he rebelled and became Satan. I disagree vehemently with your graphic that the Book of Mormon is not very impressive. He and his family cross the ocean to the Americas. Mormons have this impression that “chiasmus” is a Hebrew thing. Chapter 29 of the book of Mosiah, in which the people of Zarahemla transform their government from a monarchy to a rule of judges, is a crucial—indeed, pivotal—chapter in the Book of Mormon. 1 (1994): 137–139; Don Bradley, The Lost 116 Pages: Reconstructing the Book of Mormon’s Missing Stories (Salt Lake City: Greg Kofford Books, 2019), 276–278. All podcasts need to be transcribed and cross referenced. The creation, the fall, and the atonement are all major elements of the Plan of Salvation. "Sola Scriptura" The Bible And the Bible only. Granted they’re just shows, but think of Ozark or Breaking Bad where their efforts to pull off a crime/fraud often required others involvement or inadvertently exposed their machinations to others which then required complex wrangling to contain. I can see Joseph and Sydney having discussions about the source of the native Americans and various texts of the day on that subject and those discusssions could have included Manuscript Found. 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